User talk:Hindleyite/Archive4

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New wiki

↓This is one of my wikis in the first stages, id be honoured if you could help ta' --Huge_bob 10:31, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC) its er... Its far down the page, sorry but im shit at formating. very far down: Hitchikers

Oh cool! A new wiki.... I'll have look at it later when I'm in the mood for formatting stuph. See you there some time in the future! -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:43, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Just to keep you up to date, dxpenguin has joined and he's wrote an article on, you guessed it...penguins. Taylor has drawn up a detailed writing style page. --HUGE BOB 06:45, 7 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Need help with another article that i think has potential

Check this one out, blud... The test card

Huge_bob 21:59, 30 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

...GGGGG?

Image:Illogibloglogo.png

Ryan 11:45, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the entry. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 12:20, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Ladies...

Thanks for putting the whore illogic out thing on the blog. I might do the toielt door thing, and by jove, isn't Lord Kitchener straight to the point with his choice of husband. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 12:08, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

No probs. If you do the toilet door thing, get us a picture of it on your phone! Also, I would suggest Kitchener is the one night stand type of person. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 12:19, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Yeah you're right. He didn't look me in the eye, even when we were, uhh, y'know.... --Testostereich • (ballsack) 12:30, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

bday blog bash

i have made a new logo. --RFK itshere

Thank you for your entry! You can keep editing it until we decide to pick one. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:46, 5 Aym 2008 (UTC)

The Problem With Illogicopedia

Hindleyite, I was talkin' with some peeps on IRC. And they expressed the, in my opinion, correct view that Illogicopedia, despite the effort that goes into it looks juvenile and not-very well put together. Which they said was off putting to new users. We came to several conclusions, and decided you're a good man to oversee or help us with the task of renovating the site and taking us into a new age. Mainly because you're always there, and you've seen Uncyclopedia grow up into the highly editable site that is, and also how it went wrong. Which gives you life experience, well, wikia experience.

Anyway, here are the realisations we found:

• We could perhaps redesign the main page, perhaps only slightly to make it look better done/funnier etc. Do it professionally. Bear in mind there are some good photoshoppers/puns to be used out there.
• Personally I think the mission statement and guidelines are outdated and untrue. We're not really about nonsense and one liners anymore. It seems to me that we're going for anything that seems funny, or occasionally clever. Generally if there is some sort of point, like a conclusion, a thread of plot, or even an instance of funny in an article it seems tosay. "the goal is not necessarily "nonsensical one-liners" as much as "anything funny" whereas Uncyclopedia tries for "satire", you guys try for "funny." Not that I'm saying we should do an uncyclopedia and become solely funny or anything, but maybe emphasising that our site is made for the articles we so often praise and reward users for: the well-written/funny and clever. Our mission statement and commandments should reflect this.
• Maybe a slight revamp of the rules and guidlines, not to change the status quo, but to encourage users with the intelligence and maturity that should at least double that of an EDer.
• We must tackle the Did you know section too, it just lies there dead, stinking up the wiki. Could we replace it with something.
• Another poin raised was the advertising and vanity (guilty as charged) that one finds in "What's Gwa'nin." I'm not sure what to do with it, set out guidlines? Try and make things look like they're news regardless of the article they link too (like on the news section in logicopedia [the brief wikiskin])

So yeah. If we tackle the root cause, as opposed to the articles we'll kill the weeds dead improve our image and attract more users. I think we can win with this one. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 18:34, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Some good points. The front page: I like the fact people can edit bits but I think the news thing should refer to articles and not mention users unless totally necessary. A good idea would be to check every so often (not really that hard to do) and modify it slightly to fit in with the idea. DYKs: same goes for this. I like to add a few things every now and then but we do need some more content. I'll comment a bit more on this later, I think. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 18:42, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Cheers for the support du' . 'll set about implementing these steps. Nice work with the blog once again, and just well done in general. Tell me if \i go wrong, give me a lollipop and send me on my way :P --Testostereich • (ballsack) 18:50, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

I wanna help! For rizzle.-Ljlego 18:59, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Front page redesign. For all its bad points, one area where I think Uncyc excels is on its front page. It seems there's something new there every day - it would be nice to try and emulate this a bit more. I'm not saying we should restrict users' own content, just modify it slightly. We always have the vandalism section for all-out madness. As for a redesign, it might be worth having a fresh look... might need to discuss with Fluffalizer - an almost direct port of WP would be nice. It took ages for us to get to the current design but if we work together we could do it fairly quickly.

I also wonder if there is any way we can move/get rid of the Google ads like Uncyclopedia? I dunno if it's site specific css or something. Maybe we could get Fluffalizer (again) on it...

Rules: always been a bit of a sticky area because there aren't really any rules as such, only guidelines. I wouldn't be against a slight tweak though.

Finally, the site's mission statement. I agree that one-liners aren't the stock articles any more and whilst they are still accepted, a change of intro text might be in order. Hm, I remember Nerd being a bit touchy about that - we need to pick a slogan between us.

Ljlego: know much about css? -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 19:06, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Not really, though I am excellent at pretending I know things and using Google to write code. I learned parser functions in this way, and oddly enough I'm actually quite good at them now.-Ljlego 20:31, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

So main points:

• Sort out mainpage
• Sortout, better advertise the forum
• Create activity ourselves on various topics forum etc.
• Tidy up in general, mission statement etc? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 19:37, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Sounds about right. Forum topic for this?

LJ: Pretending to know things = my mantra. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:28, 5 Aym 2008 (UTC)

As for the site focus, I can agree with expanding our official "mission". Not moving it, though – while we need not strictly be limited to it, sheer nonsense remains the unique part of our niche. Without it, we are just a poor copy of the humor wikis. Also, we could do well to encourage creating more one-liners and random nonsense – let's then use said content! A little bit of true nonsensical creativity is valuable; far too much of our content has become a mechanical repetition of stale comedy routines. I suggest to encourage the nonsensification of our content, where users work to make it stranger and funny as in the smell. The focus on quality has been a bit one-sided: it has replaced the focus on the bizarre and random more than it has complemented it. I say they need not be mutually exclusive; let those (the "old school") who want to write some random nonsense here and there do so, and encourage it, and those of the newer style do their thing as well at the same time. Also, reward not only polished humor, but the truly bizarre and unshaven as well!

As for redesign, I guess I can help given some concrete ideas. So discuss it; how about starting a forum topic to collect some more input on just how to improve things? Let anyone add any minor suggestions and/or complaints, and all that is feasible and doesn't make things worse can be done, bit by bit. As for the wiki ads at the side, that's something you'll have to speak with Wikia about.

Also, as for the site being juvenile, is this mainly a form or content issue? I've noticed that there are quite a few {{q|Bla bla bla.|Page redirecting to user| on whatever}} added to pages. I think this could do with a staunch chopping and/or replacement. I for one would like to see less categories and quotes about users. And less of all those mostly-unused templates with images; those are often unfunny and non-strange, as well as slightly or even significantly "juvenile". Could do with a cleaning there, I think. Also, dropping in mentions of nasty things and people without a point in our content looks very much juvenile; unlike Nerd42, I don't mind seeing it where it makes a point, but where it doesn't (which is quite often) I must say I'd like to see him come around and prude up our pages for a bit. Not because I find it nasty, but because I find it stale. --Fluffalizer 11:39, 5 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, forum topic needed I reckon. Don't want to become all Cabalish like Uncyc....

User vanity is, in places, becoming a bit MySpace-ish and over the top but I think we've got this largely under control - as soon as I find some vanity I try and modify it. Some other stuff can't really be retrieved but we don't have much complaints on the vanity deletions.

Something I noticed: the Google ads aren't on the web archive versions of the site... -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 11:57, 5 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Re: User vanity - I could easily remove any references to users in the wiki. I have it queued up now, actually. Should I?-Ljlego 20:16, 6 Aym 2008 (UTC)

No, because there are occasions where it's acceptable. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 20:33, 6 Aym 2008 (UTC)

It would be overseen by me, and I would decide when the removal occurs. It's not automated, it's just that the list was generated for me.-Ljlego 21:45, 6 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I assumed it would be a bot something. In that case, fire away! It would certainly be useful.... btw, how did you access the list? -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 15:56, 7 Aym 2008 (UTC)

I set something up to parse through the site's database dump (one of Wikia's saving graces) to find "User:" in the edittext. Going through it individualwise now.-Ljlego 20:57, 8 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Club Card Members Card Thing

Hey, will u make me a card for my user page. refering to your ad on the talk page of the ?pedia club card members page. ₪ Ragglefraggleking ₪ Is ₪ Eating ₪ Your ₪ Bagels 21:45, 4 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Of course, dude. I'll get right on it. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:28, 5 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Small bro

u r invited fro smal bro! Accept by adding your name to the list of contestants or reject on my talk page.

₪ Ragglefraggleking ₪ Is ₪ Eating ₪ Your ₪ Bagels 18:31, 11 Aym 2008 (UTC)

He got invited before. Some WHAT!? (talk) (contribs) (edit count) 22:09, 12 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Your edit count

has reached 7,000. Some WHAT!? (talk) (contribs) (edit count) 22:09, 12 Aym 2008 (UTC)

I'm Bored

Wanna do another collab? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 22:32, 18 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Spiffing idea. Any preferences on topic? -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 17:37, 19 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Well I had this idea for a site-wide thing, but couldn't figure out exactly where I'd go with it at all. So maybe we could use the title of my idea for our article:

What about The Wikia Olympics, there's a whole load of pop-culture references, random events and potential in general for it I think. Whaddayasay? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 21:06, 19 Aym 2008 (UTC)

OK, let's go for it. There's looooads of wikis we could just make little jokes about, like the Muppet Wiki or Cheese wiki. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:21, 21 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, that's what I had in mind. Also we can reference the drugs test as the hardest event (ED would fail that), seeing as so few athletes complete it :P What events would the wiki/user's do??? Post event interviews, pictures, events, bla, bla, London 2012? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 15:10, 21 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Remember to breathe at VFH. Some WHAT!? (talk) (contribs) (edit count) 19:20, 21 Aym 2008 (UTC)

IMMA BACK BABY!

And I've made a few additions to The Wikia Olympics --Testostereich • (ballsack) 23:14, 31 Aym 2008 (UTC)

Yo again

What about some recognition for reviewers - might keep it going

Also, will add more to the olympics Testostereich • (ballsack) 16:43, 2 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the nom

I think it's your turn to Olympicise wikia again, if you know what I mean... :P

On another note, as of tomorrow, the Testostereich you know and love is back - exams are OVER! I'll do some adminting and crack on wi- th' Conspiracy a.s.a.p --Testostereich • (ballsack) 17:32, 3 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Olympics

What do you make of our article? Sorry that I've been hogging the edit strem to it btw ^^ --Testostereich • (ballsack) 21:46, 4 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

IllogiNews:Talk Message.

This just in: I've noticed the swarms of users we received are greatly improving, :D Also what about a pickle sometime next month.

Don't forget the Olympics.

Chow --Testostereich • (ballsack) 08:26, 15 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Hi Testicles. Yes, I have overlooked the Olympics article recently but I shall have another go at it right now.

The user influx seems to be people alienated by Uncyc.... plus a few from Yahoo Answers who read some of my posts about Illogic. Lots of articles for VFH and users for IOTM... good stuff! A pickle sounds good to me, we'll just need to get Seppy's say so. We ought to get the most entries yet... I wonder if we could arrange a prize somehow? I've got a selection of old stuff including a 'How To Win At Game Boy Games' book, circa 1991! I bet I've got loads of other stuff lying around here.... -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:36, 15 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Awesome. Nice adminning your doing btw, also what do you think of our article? Just wondered --Testostereich • (ballsack) 12:16, 15 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! The article is getting there - it's got some really good bits such as the picture - I liked it so much I put it on the Illoginews page. I want to see some more pics, though... maybe Dwain Chambers smoking a spliff or something. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 12:24, 15 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

...

Hi --DJ Irrelevant 11:06, 15 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Oh, my old car. I parked it across the road and the next day the wheels had disappeared. Also, the council stopped me from having a number plate... -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 11:13, 15 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

hey

Hey Hindleyak :D Aww, i miss the times when you used to come on Msn, what happened to you dude, i thought you where cool :P --Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 18:39, 17 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I used to be cool but now I'm just a nobody. Don't think I've used MSN in months... also, I like the name 'Hindleyak'. I'm gonna put it in me sig, I think. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 18:43, 17 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

You should come back on ^_^ typing everything out on a live chat so everyone can see your typo's is fun :) --Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 19:12, 17 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Well I might make an effort but I don't need MSN to shpwcase my tipos. ;) -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 11:31, 18 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, me neither :P --Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 21:00, 20 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Someone mentioned an award for feat images, so I've made it. It's the same mechanics as gold stars but with brushes. Check it out: Template:Gold Brush --Testostereich • (ballsack) 13:09, 24 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Seems OK but some golden brush icons instead of the stars might be nice. I know that recently the gold stars thing has fallen out of favour... maybe some kind of ranking system, maybe not like Uncyc's, but like a statistic bar with templated bits could replace it? -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 13:22, 24 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

That seems like programming that's out of my league. And FYI, there were little brush icons instead of stars. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 13:24, 24 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

S'funny... turning up as asterisks on my browser -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 13:28, 24 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Probs 'cos there's no value for the number of brushes input, try using the template. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 13:30, 24 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Hindleyite/Archive4 has attained 2 brush(es).   Noodles.

***

Hmm.. aha! -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 13:37, 24 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Awesome --Testostereich • (ballsack) 13:44, 24 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Huzzah's are in order (unless the Huzzahs that we ordered exceed the surplus of money in our current pocession, oh noes!)

You may want to take a look, but unless you've got something else to add, I believe we've finished The Wikia Olympics

If it's done do you want to put it up for review, & maybe i was lieeeek thinking that we could create a small award template etc for reviews to encourage reviewers. What do you think? Nice admining btw. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 20:28, 24 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Hm, didn't get the chance/inspiration to add as much as I'd like to have but I think we ought to draw a line under it. If it were any longer it'd be bigger than much of the stuff at Uncle Pete! Good work on it, by the way. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 17:12, 27 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou. But if you want to chop and change bits that you think would suit better, then do so. As you can see from my last two pickles, length really isn't an issue with me ;) .Sorry if I domineered the editing --Testostereich • (ballsack) 18:16, 27 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

the bagel crossedd the roadg=

whilet he p[ie enters yhe 1st dimnsion

Feelin' insane today/night? -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 12:08, 26 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

half that, other half i"m having a partyu and have to type quick and stuff..... many typos... Ryan ^{u|t|c Hola}

Have a bottle on me and enjoy your party :) -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 12:18, 26 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Heheh.n --Ryan ^{u|t|c Hola} 12:21, 26 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

As you know I'm not much of a blogger, so if I write something for the blog, would you upload it for me? Also, nice work on the welcoming commitee, have yourself a pickle.

IllogiClassics #??: Silent Penguin)

Despite the obvious vanity surrounding the idea of a user becoming an IllogiClassic, I believe Seppy makes an exception... just for the hseer volume of featurettes he makes in articles.

One of the site's creators, and proclaimed IllogiGod, Silent Penguin is notorious for cropping up in articles across the wiki. Famously playing himself he usually ends up in some kind of tangle that pokes fun at his muted features. Seppy as of yet hasn't commented on hisc numerous appearances, though it is often observed users including him in their stories disappear without a trace soon after.

Seppy's Filmography

• Penglish uprising
• The Massive quest to find stuff
• Silent Penguin's Bogus Journey
• Silent Penguin
• Battle with Flameviper
• Invasion of Illogiland

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so Hindelyak, what do you think, scrap, improve or use? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 13:01, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

I think: 'scrap. :-P Nah, not really - I'll post it on the blog now. I might add that SP is the only user to currently have an entry on the in-jokes glossary and the fact he was asked to comment but replied "mpfff mfffl."
The welcoming committee is the latest part of a plan to get Illogic into the Wikia spotlight and I decided that some of the site's organ-isation needed a kick up the buttocks. Plus, I can't get a job so I've nothing else to do :-P -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 13:05, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Weell it's still awesome. Is there anything similar i could do now that you've got me all psyched up? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 13:08, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

If you're up for it, you could add Illogic to the Wikia Spotlight nominations page. Remember to add some crap about why we fit their requirements and why we prefer Monobook but also cater for Monaco users. Also, curdenfnimfle. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 13:14, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Will do, in two minutes. You know how quick i edit --Testostereich • (ballsack) 13:27, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

well I've had a stab at the wikia sptlight talk page, feel free to correct/back-up/delte what I've said. Testostereich • (ballsack) 13:55, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine to me... hey, how can they refuse with a well balanced rationale such as that? :) We should be on that sidebar next month or the Wikia peoples are too sane (dang "normals"!). Nice work again, Batman.
I'm attempting to make a start on an image attribution project but I won't be surprised if it takes forever. Hopefully the Wikia dudes don't take into account image copyrights... -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 14:07, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, sounds phunky. If there's any monkey work involved feel free to delegate, but be aware that it will detract from your lead in the edit count ;) Aside from that I corrected the grammar and slightly better phrased one or two of the sentences on our wikia page in preparation for a potential feature/ You may want to check it out seeing as it's probably significant in some way. The image project sounds fab, just like the name of an ice lolly that i wish to consume now.... --Testostereich • (ballsack) 14:14, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Hah, any help would be appreciated as there are over 1500 images on Illogic! Under the Wikia terms of use (which I have just read for the first time) all uploaded images HAVE to have a copyrights tag. But, it's better to get it out of the way now instead of 5 years time when we have over 50,000 images. The Wikia page seems fine, explains what we're about effectively. Now all we need is to be featured on Click or The Gadget Show and we're in business... -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 14:28, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Where would I start? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 14:34, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

I started by tagging all images I (completely) created with {{GFDL-self}} but I'm in the process of creating more templates. I suppose you could also add {{GFDL}} to images you know are from other GNU sources. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 14:38, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for the star, it rocks. For your part in the site upkeep we here at Illogicopedia would like to give you a Virtual hamper

:P Also you expressed the opinion that you wished you'd have done more to the wikia olympics. Well I won't remove the stealnt tags until you're happy with it, some of the sections on the bid I did were a bit meh so I suppose there's room for editing there, but don't listen to me, I'm just an admin. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 15:38, 28 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Lol "just an admin." By the way, you should be careful where you leave a colon. Some WHAT!? (talk) (contribs) (edit count) 00:54, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'd say the article's pretty much complete and am happy to finish off at this point. Thanks for that hamper though! The cheese tasted nasty... just the way I like it. But then, you shouldn't take me on because I'm just yak. Still not happy with that star template, though... -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:44, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

What's wrong with the star template? I like it, it only needs a little time to establish itself. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 12:05, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Nothin as such is wrong with the template but I was thinking of resurrecting it to be the primary reward system again. Admins can award stars for various things such as helping clean up/categorise pages, tag images, blah blah as well as regular features. Zen, we have a 'ranking' thingymajig based on number of stars achieved, giving users incentive to do constructive stuph. Ima gonna work on a category system now, actually. Also, schweinsteiger. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 12:13, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Yo

Would you like the idea of me creating a policy page to explain all the site awards - we could tie it in with the "stuphs" you promised? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 12:11, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Kaykoo, I will get tae work on a category ranking system. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 12:20, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, I just noticed, we need an IOTM template but I'm too lazy to make one. Then we can group the IOTM, Pickles and Star Ratings in a template. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 17:06, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

Is Lord Of Commons still in practice, or has it died/need reviving/have no use anymore? --Testostereich • (ballsack) 16:31, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

It's fallen out of use mainly because of THE BIASED VIEWS of the Strangled Cat Party. Dunno, I think people aren't interested in taking sides and joining parties any more. Maybe it'd cause divides or something. Now, if we were all of the same party (up against Uncyc and Wikipedia) that would be different... -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 17:04, 29 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

HINLDLES!

HEllo! I need advice. Welll.... I'd like to have a featured image, but I don't know which one has the best chance. I need a worthy opinion. I like the swastikas (that aren't Helloolleh's) I have made like the windows logo, the curtains....all those. And I like the squirrel with the hat and microphones... BUT I HAVE SO MANY! help me choose the best one for a feature.--|Fonchezzz| Quacking| 01:55, 30 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna plump for the squirrel one, I think. MSPaint rules! -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 14:20, 30 Yoon 2008 (UTC)

...

Are you ever not on Illogicopedia?--|Fonchezzz| Quacking| 14:06, 1 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I will not be on Illogicopedia in... 5 minutes. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 14:07, 1 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Ha, seriously though I need something to do. Now. I ought to do this adminning crap on a website I can make money from. If we had the cash, we could host the site on our own, stick our own adsense banners on (where we wannem) and then £££££! -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:43, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Wikia

They got back to us, here's what they said -

"Hi. Illogicopedia looks like a very well-organized wiki with a lot of content and you guys have certainly worked hard on it. I'm impressed that you only have a very few uncategorized pages and I'm glad to see you taking welcomes so seriously! However you are not currently using Monaco skin as a default and that is one of our spotlight criteria. I appreciate that you actually try to make the wiki nice for both monobook and monaco users, but we need the default (seen by the anonymous users who make up the bulk of the viewership) to be monaco and not the other way around. So right now I have to say no to your request. -- Wendy (talk) 01:41, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)"

:S --Testostereich • (ballsack) 07:12, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Bah, that's annoying. I did note that all criteria have been worded 'should', as in 'should be Monaco' but I expected them to make an exception in this case where we're a parody of Wikipedia. Cheeseballs! Granted, I need to get my head round Monaco (spits on floor) formatting so I can make it look better. It's one ugly barsteward I tells ya - a skin only a mother (Wikia) could love. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:12, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Also

Have you seen this, monaco sucks, and the adverts, the adverts!?!?!?!!! I say we do a Cuba and outright refuse to make the switch. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 07:43, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd definitely rather not get featured Wikia than use Monaco. --Ryan ^{u|t|c Hola} 08:52, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Ryan, have you seen the adverts they propose to use, it's like a freaking crater on each page, it's just not cricket. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 08:54, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

What? I didn't say I supported these ads or anything... I said the exact opposite... --Ryan ^{u|t|c Hola} 10:28, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Look, I remember the debate when we first moved to Wikia. The options were: 1) stay at the smelly wikifarm, 2) move to Wikia or 3) put up the cash for our own hosting. The latter would mean banner ads and much begging for cash to pay our hosts. We're actually rather lucky we have someone that does this for us. Having said that, Monaco cheeses me off big style. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:46, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Monoco is shocking, to me, it feels like wikia are pulling a microsoft esque action by ignoring what people say, and using what they think people want insted. i say we make a hell of alot of noise about it, and should we fail, try to find an alternative to wikia. After all, they dont own the site, they simply provide the hosting, but they don't seem to realise that the more they chock the sites with ads, the more people will ignore them. sure, they may get the extra idle click, but ads become invasive.--Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 15:28, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

The Monaco fiasco all stems from the advertisers, the guys that give not a sh*t about what we think: all they are motivated by is money. Wikia has to play middle man by trying to get a balance on both sides (users and advertisers), a layout everyone is happy with - I won't be happy until we get Monobook back though.

The alternative is move to our own hosting servers. One thing I am unhappy with about Wikia is that it feels like 'they' own the site, when, as you said, they do not. Well, you get that impression waaaaaay more in Monaco with all those Wikia logos plastered everywhere. Also, if we had an independent wiki we could customise skins all we wanted. Downside is having to stump up the cash each month to keep the site online all the time - which comes out of our own pockets. Otherwise we'd have to beg for investment - not ideal when we're aiming to be bigger than Wikipedia :-p

In conclusion, I am willing to stay with Wikia for now but the sooner we can establish an independent site the better.

Just a last word about Wikia, I dunno about you guys but it's very easy to get the feeling they do not care about us. And that's probably right. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 15:58, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

I've always felt they neglect us. Maybe because they were so irked by the idea of us at the start --Testostereich • (ballsack) 16:02, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

This has been the case for ages, still, hopefully we can figure something good out, maybe this is something we need to discuss with all the admins. Lets have a Crisis meeting :P find out when all the admins can get online to irc or something to discuss the sites future, figure out an action plan, and yes, it feels like wikia owns the place, they always tell us what we can and can't do.--Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 16:06, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's cos we're anti-establishment. They said it'd never work and only took us on, reluctantly I might add, when they saw how popular the site was getting at Editthis. Power to the people (dons banana bandana)! To add to the argument above, how much extra traffic do you think we get being a Wikia wiki (through Big Wikis page, other Wikia wikis)? I'd say about 10% more (estimate), so that's something to think about.

I will come on IRC for a bit. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 16:07, 2 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, pretty table!

Thanks for adding that template at the Illogic Book contents. Now I know how to make tables look good without doing too much work with the colors.

No probs. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 12:15, 3 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Huzzah

Well after abusing your talk page left, right, centre and left about site maintenaince issues, this will make a pleasant surprise. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 14:20, 3 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Hindleyite/Archive4 has attained 1 star.   An Epic new Star Count for the Epic Admin.

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Yahay! Thanks Testicles. I wonder if Nerd received any reply from Wikia about the Monobook thingy? -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 14:22, 3 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

I'll make a note to ask him when he next comes on illogic some time in 2009 ;) --Testostereich • (ballsack) 14:23, 3 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Is Nerd usually on our IRC channel or was last night a one off? ;) -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 14:27, 3 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

T'was the biggest one off since the oldest man alive had an erection. --Testostereich • (ballsack) 14:28, 3 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Hah, now that's a one off... -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 14:34, 3 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

id make another low brow comment to add to the pile, but i cant be bothered :P . Back to the site maintainance crap ;) after the responce he got from wikia in enquiring about monobook, he has decided we should try to locate some new hosting options. My suggestions are: Beg from somewhere, Go with a VPS like Linode or WiredTree and club together with some other wikis who want hosting / are against the monaco skin.--Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 17:31, 4 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

That sucks. The idea of going independent has always been appealing to me, dunno about you but it gives a sense of more ownership - ie we aren't governed by what wikia thinks. I've got misgivings about free hosts as I've never tried them myself but I was thinking bandwidth limits might be an issue with paid hosts (I dunno, would 1Gig a month be enough for a wiki of our size?) - not a problem at wikia as they sorted everything out. Course you know, it would mean more effort on our parts ;). Begging for donations might be the only way to keep the site going through rocky periods. I'd be willing to put some cash towards the costs, should it come to that. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 18:03, 4 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Well, Our website has a DB size, discounting images of around 8 or 9 mg. So the base versions linode (Dedicated visual RAM:360mb, Diskspace:12GB, transfer limit:200GB/month, $20/month) and WiredTree offer (Dedicated visual RAM:384mb, Diskspace:40GB, transfer limit:600GB/month, $45/month) are ample for ours, and most likely several other websites needs (hence the suggestion of sharing costs. These two providers are non contract, meaning we arn't tied down to them for longer than what we pay for. WiredTree is slightly better, and we have a managed control panel, and Linode is empty, we have to manage everything ourselves unlike WT, but both provide fantastic reliability. We can also create a script that prevents images being downloaded and uploaded should the transfer limit becomes a bit tight. Asema thinks Wikifur and nerd42 suggested that the adventure wiki on EditThis might be interested in going solo. But freehosts usually arn't worth bothering with, they are like editthis was, more pain than they are worth.--Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 19:53, 4 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good deal actually - about £12 or £25 per month, so the cheapest would be what, £144 a year at cheapest? As long as shared hosting won't intrude too much on our own business and we get to have an illogicopedia.org domain address (eg. illogicopedia.org/wiki/article name) then we have ourselves a ticket out of Wikiadom and all its anti-Illogicopedianess! :p -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 20:00, 4 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Well, We need to talk about it in private, and figure out some sort of system, how we go about it, etc.--Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 20:11, 4 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

I'll try and come on IRC this afternoon. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:30, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Okie dokie nudge me when your online :D --Silent PenguinLeave Me Alone 12:37, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

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how and when do i become an admin? --HUGE BOB 10:24, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

We aren't looking for any more admins at the moment because we have enough for our size of wiki. Plus, being an admin ain't all that different to being a regular user - we only get about 1 vandal a week and there's not that much stuff to delete (we try and keep all we can). Ideally we'd want a new admin to be sensible and know the site's guidelines and policies well - we can't just go around promoting anybody, y'know! :-P

PS If you win IOTM you get rollback privileges. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:30, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

The frog on my shoulder told me to do it! --HUGE BOB 10:49, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok, that's fine then. Just make sure you don't lick it. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:50, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

I already have! What now? --HUGE BOB 10:51, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

Sit back and enjoy the ride, baby. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:52, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

I can see a new colour made up of voices from beyond the ramble tree! ARG! IM GOING FUCKING NUTS! Oh and over in the hitchhikers guide we gonna merge with another wiki with the same name. --HUGE BOB 10:54, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)

I'd advise you to stay away from the microwave at this point. Also, I will take a look at Hitchhikers. -- Hindleyak  Converse • ?blog • Click here! 10:58, 6 Jumbly 2008 (UTC)