Talk:Mormon film

Joseph Carter, maybe? He's a Mormon from Utah that trains minks to hunt, so naturally I watch his YouTube videos. The Supreme Leader XY --- Free Cake! 02:53, 18 Serpeniver 2015 (UTC)

It's all very creepy. I was baffled when, after reading Card for years with pleasure, I discovered that he's a hard core Mormon. I wish i could make that into a funny article, but it only saddens me. These huge disconnects, like the Evangelical geologist who works and operates as though he believes in established science, but simultaneously "really" believes that the Earth is 6000 odd years old and humans coexisted with dinosaurs. Jesus plays a wonderful trick on us, fooling us into believing that carbon dating is a real thing. Baffling. (kaizum me) 04:35, 18 Serpeniver 2015 (UTC)

Wow. The Supreme Leader XY --- Free Cake! 04:54, 18 Serpeniver 2015 (UTC)

Do you think atheists are somehow immune from having odd beliefs!? Hell no, theirs are quite often just as bizarre as any actual religious beliefs, especially if they're feminists. Start asking a feminist questions about 'patriarchy' and 'institutionalized opprsesion' and 'intersectionality' and 'cultural appropriation' and you will get them to say some really bizarre stuff. Like somehow you're a racist because you say you enjoy burritos or that you're threatening violence because you say you enjoy spaghetti. Sometimes that's all it takes. Because feminists are crazy, and nothing any religious people believe have ever been as crazy as some of the stuff that feminists have been saying in the past few years. --Nerd42 (talk) 13:36, 18 Serpeniver 2015 (UTC)

First, let me say I miswrote "hard core Mormon". I did not consider that it's insulting. I apologize if I was hurtful. In my head, I was thinking of people who think they're better than I am based on their faith and beliefs. I read something by Card that made me feel that way and he backed it up with his understanding of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Of course, it was written for a Mormon audience which agreed with him, so...

I take issue with all of that. First, let's disconnect atheism and feminism. Many atheists come to it as a conscious decision after a difficult process of moving away from faith. Some are opinionated, intolerant and noisy by nature, and they bring this baggage into their newfound personal philosophy. Some carry other baggage, including crazy ideas. I do not hold that religious people have a monopoly on irrational thinking.

I don't know that "feminists" have a larger claim to crazy than anyone else. Women who would like to see their accomplishments and ideas given proper respect, want equal pay for equal work, want to be more than a baby maker and pleasure vehicle for a husband... I don't think these are crazy ideas at all.

With regard to the LDS, my nephew is a member and we have no problems. We respect one another.

Cheers, and apologies for my insensitivity, (kaizum me) 16:57, 18 Serpeniver 2015 (UTC)

"Women who would like to see their accomplishments and ideas given proper respect, want equal pay for equal work... I don't think these are crazy ideas at all."

Those ideas are egalitarian, not feminist. Or at least not third wave feminist. The current crop of feminists are crazier than transubstantiation by at least an order of magnitude. I wouldn't include egalitarian "feminists" like Christina Hoff Sommers in that, so it's not all "feminists."

Also, women have already got equal pay for equal work. Gender based discrimination in pay is already illegal. The alleged "Wage Gap" is caused by factors which have nothing to do with discrimination by employers.

"want to be more than a baby maker and pleasure vehicle for a husband"

No one really advocates that. But if that's how you describe being a housewife and full time mother then that really is very offensive to millions of women. What you said before wasn't offensive, I just disagreed with it, but that actually is offensive.

"I read something by Card that made me feel that way and he backed it up with his understanding of the Bible and the Book of Mormon."

How you feel is not his fault. What counts is what he actually said.

Card has repudiated some of his more extreme statements from the 1980s and 90s after a long process during which he wrote the Empire books, if that's what you're referring to. The Empire books are basically apologia for political moderation and a polemic against extremism of all stripes. In 2013, the Internet Hate Mob ignored this to blacklist him from working in comics or Hollywood because they're bigoted against Mormons. Card's still not agreeing with "gay marriage" but then, neither did Barack Obama when he was elected twice. --Nerd42 (talk) 17:11, 18 Serpeniver 2015 (UTC)

Card is a great writer. He held some beliefs which you say he's repudiated. I know little of the blacklisting and nothing of an apologia. If he's let up on people who aren't like him, that's good. In any case, I have no desire to follow the course of his ideas, (kaizum me) 17:59, 18 Serpeniver 2015 (UTC)