IllogiNews talk:As it now turns out, radical Republicans are indeed illogical

I too am baffled that these debates will help form opinions behind some votes. I don't feel that they are a unique form of human behavior, however. We are just now learning some of the mechanisms behind illogical thinking and stupid decisions, and other stuff like that. The causes are manifold because the brain that generates them is the most complex structure we know about. We have to learn about the hows and whys of stupidity before we can fix stupidity, or hold any hope thereof.

Shit. I was doing this to point out that this article espouses a political view, and instead, I went on and tacked a rant onto it. It doesn't really matter, though... the political thing. It's just that, I took notice because we probably don't want to see a trend of editorializing. That, and Republicans make my antlers quiver.

Oh, and no periods at the end of article titles. (kaizum me) 06:56, 12 Novelniver 2015 (UTC)

I didn't watch

I am not happy with any of these candidates. Republicans have gotten super illogical but not for the reasons you say here. For one thing, they support Trump. They actually support Donald Trump for President. What. The. Hell!?

For many years, people have raised legitimate concerns about illegal immigration that I had some respect for but nowadays, it's switched to really being just against "immigration." I want to shake some of these people, like, what is wrong with you!?

At the same time, the Democrats have always been completely bonkers, only the crazy stuff they say doesn't get anywhere near as widely reported. And the whole Starbucks red cups thing was something the left wing media ran with while the right wing media was actually busy denying that anyone had ever said anything about the stupid red cups. There are plenty of valid reasons to boycott Starbucks but their stupid red cups isn't one of them. --Nerd42 (talk) 17:09, 20 Ditzimber 2015 (UTC)

I didn't watch either. I think Republicans paranoia about refugees goes too far. We have always had refugees. When there were Vietnamese refugees, people didn't spread rumors about communist revolutionary infiltrators amongst those refugees. I also think that it is insanity to suggest that any one religious group (such as Muslims) be required to be recorded in a national database.

The Democrats may go too far on some things, but they are less insane than the Republicans. simsilikesims (talk) 22:44, 26 Ditzimber 2015 (UTC)

The Republicans don't have feminism or race-baiting. --Nerd42 (talk) 13:14, 28 Ditzimber 2015 (UTC)

To put this into perspective, I am Hispanic.

Therefore meaning that I have a right to oppose the current Republican lineup (even Cruz and Rubio, those traitors) for their propositions against illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America. 18:13, 21 Ditzimber 2015 (UTC)

Is this some kind of joke? What the hell does being Hispanic have to do with your opinions on immigration? --Nerd42 (talk) 00:26, 22 Ditzimber 2015 (UTC)

Is this even more of a joke? Do you even realize the fact that the issue of illegal Mexican and Central American immigrants have been a far more prominent issue for a far more longer time than the recent issue with the Syrian refugee immigrants?

In other words, being Hispanic correlates with my opinions of immigration because immigration is a part of the reason why my family and I are here in America in the first place. My grandparents immigrated from El Salvador in the 70s to escape a life of poverty. Other people immigrate to America to escape civil war, murderous regimes, famine, terrorism, etc. To sum these all up, people immigrate here to seek a better life for themselves and their children than the one they had and what their children would have had in their home country. The stories told by my grandparents and my friends about their own elders who immigrated here embody that desire to come to what they saw as the greatest country in the world that was filled with opportunity.

Whenever some rambling nationalist xenophobe(s) on the right start to express their cowardly hatred to immigrants (both legal and illegal), I just want to shout in their face as to why the immigrants even want to immigrate to America and how the country theyre coming from is most likely a country in a very difficult situation.

If I have not made something clear, please point it out. I'm a little loopy right now after playing Fallout 4. 71.108.114.23 06:27, 30 Ditzimber 2015 (UTC)

Does being Hispanic make you an illegal immigrant? Is it that other races are capable of following whatever immigration law we set, but Hispanics just can't handle following the same laws which other races follow?

I don't think so. So I don't think being Hispanic justifies any opinions you may have on immigration either. Your arguments would need to do that, not your race. --Nerd42 (talk) 13:09, 30 Ditzimber 2015 (UTC)

It all lies within the geography. As you know, Mexico and Central America are right below North America, not an ocean away from it. This suddenly eliminated the need to save up for a plane or a boat to the USA, and since the people wanting to immigrate from there most likely couldn't possibly accumulate that much money anyway, they resort to crossing the border on foot.

Actually, your point on being Hispanic does not justify my views on immigration is sort of correct. It is sort of correct because it brings up this question: what kind of person do you have to be in order to have justified opinions on immigration overall? Just a person who is good at defending his/her opinions on immigration? Because if you have that fact of being Hispanic correspond with the fact of being Syrian, that would mean that the concerns and opinions of Syrians here in America and across the world about the Syrian refugees are totally invalid, just because they are Syrian. Adding on to the type of person you have to be to have a valid opinion on immigration: do you have to be an immigrant yourself?

Does being Hispanic make you an illegal immigrant?

Apparently it does here in America. Once they hear your Spanish and see your skin, they immediately assume that you came here illegally (at least, with the people I have personally come across, alongside my grandparents). If America wanted to, they'd try to deport every US-born Hispanic.

I know I sidetracked from the context in which you were using it, and it is all on me, my fault. Now, to focus on the context.

So by breaking down your quote, you basically presented the context of your quote in the following sentences: "...I don't think being Hispanic justifies any opinions you may have on immigration either. Your arguments would need to do that, not your race."

Well, this is where I could sort of veer off in a different direction: "Not one single opinion is of considerable validity until it is universally accepted as fact" With all due respect Nerd42, until one of our stands on immigration is accepted as true fact, all the debating will just show how strongly we feel for our own opinions. So yes, my opinion is flawed in saying that being of a certain race or nationality can justify one's views of immigration as a whole. But then there may be someone else out there who may think that your opinion is flawed as well. In others words, it's just opinion.

That was some major beating around the bush (no, not Jeb) from me, and I apologize. This time I'm loopy from reading Les Blancs

I feel like I've sounded incoherent, so please feel free to point out anything I have said that may sound a bit off or invalid. I don't mind it at all. *loopiness intensifies*

08:49, 31 Ditzimber 2015 (UTC)

Is there an equally opposite problem of white people trying to illegally immigrate into Mexico? --Nerd42 (talk) 03:29, 1 Jeremy 2016 (UTC)

It's actually in the other direction in which it's a problem (Canada), but nowhere near the significance of what's going on down south to the extent of white people actually being deported as well.

Been dazed and confused for so long it's bot true... 71.108.114.23 04:47, 1 Jeremy 2016 (UTC)